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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;We are all Hrant Dink&#8230;We are all Armenian..&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/</link>
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		<title>by: Raffi Meneshian</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241054</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:24:38 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>Harmick,

With all due respect to your interesting and sensitive blog, of course people will use this as a vehicle to promote Armenian Genocide recognition. And, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, the very reason Dink was in hot water with ultra-nationalist Turks/eventually killed was due to the fact that he championed the facts of the Armenian Genocide to Turks and was beginning to change the minds of many. It would be a tragedy if Dink's murder doesn't spur more discussion about Turkey's immoral position of denying it every happened. 

And, I feel that the Armenian government's position is restrained, yet appropriate in the face of yet another murder to an Armenian in Turkey. It's politics on the global scale, and there are chess word games that need to be played out. Tigran Torosyan's statement won't agitate anything because it is barely being heard. Yet, sometimes, you have to come out swinging. 

What is somewhat stunning and worrisome to me is that some Armenians are so passive and politically unsophisticated to not actually take a stand and make some noise when such an affront to our larger community takes place. 

In short, it is of the utmost importance to further Dink's pursuit of continuing to educated the public- Turkish or otherwise- of the crimes of the past that haunted his soul until the end. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Harmick,</p>
	<p>With all due respect to your interesting and sensitive blog, of course people will use this as a vehicle to promote Armenian Genocide recognition. And, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, the very reason Dink was in hot water with ultra-nationalist Turks/eventually killed was due to the fact that he championed the facts of the Armenian Genocide to Turks and was beginning to change the minds of many. It would be a tragedy if Dink&#8217;s murder doesn&#8217;t spur more discussion about Turkey&#8217;s immoral position of denying it every happened. </p>
	<p>And, I feel that the Armenian government&#8217;s position is restrained, yet appropriate in the face of yet another murder to an Armenian in Turkey. It&#8217;s politics on the global scale, and there are chess word games that need to be played out. Tigran Torosyan&#8217;s statement won&#8217;t agitate anything because it is barely being heard. Yet, sometimes, you have to come out swinging. </p>
	<p>What is somewhat stunning and worrisome to me is that some Armenians are so passive and politically unsophisticated to not actually take a stand and make some noise when such an affront to our larger community takes place. </p>
	<p>In short, it is of the utmost importance to further Dink&#8217;s pursuit of continuing to educated the public- Turkish or otherwise- of the crimes of the past that haunted his soul until the end.
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		<title>by: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241084</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:16:36 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>Tigran Torosyan's statement was very harmful and went completely against the spirit of Hrant. It's sad that some will make statements related to him which have nothing to do with his dreams. Everyone, Turks, Armenians, Kurds, etc. all owe it to him to honor his memory by living up to his ideals, and that includes disavoying things like persecuting others for things they very much have the right to say along with villifying of an entire nation because of certain people. Hrant wanted Armenians and Turks to come together and work through these problems, villification of either country will get us nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tigran Torosyan&#8217;s statement was very harmful and went completely against the spirit of Hrant. It&#8217;s sad that some will make statements related to him which have nothing to do with his dreams. Everyone, Turks, Armenians, Kurds, etc. all owe it to him to honor his memory by living up to his ideals, and that includes disavoying things like persecuting others for things they very much have the right to say along with villifying of an entire nation because of certain people. Hrant wanted Armenians and Turks to come together and work through these problems, villification of either country will get us nowhere.
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		<title>by: Raffi</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241148</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:22:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241148</guid>
					<description>I agree with Harmick's statment 100 percent.  Now is the time to come out swinging.  I afraid, the murder of Hrant Dink will do little change Turkey from within...the population is too deep into denial.  
The only way to change them is to take the gloves off and get the world community to condemn Turkey for what it was in the past and who it is today...Turkish sensibilities be damned.
In short, Turkey will only be changed from outside pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree with Harmick&#8217;s statment 100 percent.  Now is the time to come out swinging.  I afraid, the murder of Hrant Dink will do little change Turkey from within&#8230;the population is too deep into denial.<br />
The only way to change them is to take the gloves off and get the world community to condemn Turkey for what it was in the past and who it is today&#8230;Turkish sensibilities be damned.<br />
In short, Turkey will only be changed from outside pressure.
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		<title>by: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241325</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:06:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241325</guid>
					<description>Turkey will only be changed by internal AND external pressure -- and that is what we can expect from European intergration and the deaths of many Turks and Kurds, and now an Armenian, at the hands of Turkish nationalists.

Otherwise, I don't think anybody needs to &quot;use&quot; Dink's murder to campaign for Genocide Recognition. Just the very fact that a man who stood for peace and reconciliation between Armenian and Turk has been killed because he also spoke about the past does that automatically.

But anyway, internal demand for change is as important if not more so than outside pressure. If it were any other way there will be more violence and more problems. Personally, I can only hope that those more liberal and moderate Turks realize the importance of questioning what kind of society they live in.

Of course, when Turkish and Kurdish journalists died in the past under similar circumstances, many in Turkey were just as shocked, but nothing changed. In this sense, yes, the European Union must keep an eye on this case and must now call for immediate changes and an appropiate response from the Turkish Government.

Still, to be honest, I am encouraged by the comments I've read from both Armenian and Turkish bloggers so far, but maybe I'm not asking the most poignant question on that? Just how many of them are there in the scheme of things? Still, I'm sure this story won't go away, and I'm sure that Dink's legacy will have postive effects on some part of Turkish society and also demands for Genocide Recognition.

How will it impact the bill to recognize the Genocide in the U.S., for example? Like I said, nobody needs to use Dink. His tragic death has already put the issue firmly on the agenda, and personally, I think that a fitting legacy for a peaceful and noble man will be both internal moves to acknowledge its own past, and recociliation between Armenian and Turk.

Still, I'm not naieve enough to suppose that will be the case. I can, however, hope that it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Turkey will only be changed by internal AND external pressure &#8212; and that is what we can expect from European intergration and the deaths of many Turks and Kurds, and now an Armenian, at the hands of Turkish nationalists.</p>
	<p>Otherwise, I don&#8217;t think anybody needs to &#8220;use&#8221; Dink&#8217;s murder to campaign for Genocide Recognition. Just the very fact that a man who stood for peace and reconciliation between Armenian and Turk has been killed because he also spoke about the past does that automatically.</p>
	<p>But anyway, internal demand for change is as important if not more so than outside pressure. If it were any other way there will be more violence and more problems. Personally, I can only hope that those more liberal and moderate Turks realize the importance of questioning what kind of society they live in.</p>
	<p>Of course, when Turkish and Kurdish journalists died in the past under similar circumstances, many in Turkey were just as shocked, but nothing changed. In this sense, yes, the European Union must keep an eye on this case and must now call for immediate changes and an appropiate response from the Turkish Government.</p>
	<p>Still, to be honest, I am encouraged by the comments I&#8217;ve read from both Armenian and Turkish bloggers so far, but maybe I&#8217;m not asking the most poignant question on that? Just how many of them are there in the scheme of things? Still, I&#8217;m sure this story won&#8217;t go away, and I&#8217;m sure that Dink&#8217;s legacy will have postive effects on some part of Turkish society and also demands for Genocide Recognition.</p>
	<p>How will it impact the bill to recognize the Genocide in the U.S., for example? Like I said, nobody needs to use Dink. His tragic death has already put the issue firmly on the agenda, and personally, I think that a fitting legacy for a peaceful and noble man will be both internal moves to acknowledge its own past, and recociliation between Armenian and Turk.</p>
	<p>Still, I&#8217;m not naieve enough to suppose that will be the case. I can, however, hope that it is.
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		<title>by: Karen Melikyan</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241458</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:27:32 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-241458</guid>
					<description>A Turkish person inteviewed on CNN said today that Turkey is a fashist country. What other bad publicity for Turkey do you need? 

Apparently nothing has changed in Turkey in last 100 years. 

Hrant Dink has died for the cause of having world recognize Armenian Genocide. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A Turkish person inteviewed on CNN said today that Turkey is a fashist country. What other bad publicity for Turkey do you need? </p>
	<p>Apparently nothing has changed in Turkey in last 100 years. </p>
	<p>Hrant Dink has died for the cause of having world recognize Armenian Genocide.
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		<title>by: Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-242380</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:14:07 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-242380</guid>
					<description>From my post at &lt;a href=&quot;http://ditord.blogspot.com/2007/01/my-only-weapon-was-my-sincerity-hrant.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Democracy Means:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;No people can be classified as &quot;bad&quot;, &quot;fascist&quot;, or one with &quot;poisonous blood&quot;, or &quot;race of murderers&quot; - it is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE. The Turkish people, thousands of them went on streets saying: “We are all Hrant Dink…We are all Armenian..” in an amazing act of solidarity to Hrant Dink, Armenian, their follow citizen. We must be stong now and not give way to provocation. I believe that is also the point made by Harmick at the Blogrel...&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>From my post at <a href="http://ditord.blogspot.com/2007/01/my-only-weapon-was-my-sincerity-hrant.html" rel="nofollow">What Democracy Means:</a></p>
	<blockquote><p>No people can be classified as &#8220;bad&#8221;, &#8220;fascist&#8221;, or one with &#8220;poisonous blood&#8221;, or &#8220;race of murderers&#8221; - it is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE. The Turkish people, thousands of them went on streets saying: “We are all Hrant Dink…We are all Armenian..” in an amazing act of solidarity to Hrant Dink, Armenian, their follow citizen. We must be stong now and not give way to provocation. I believe that is also the point made by Harmick at the Blogrel&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-242450</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:12:53 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>As a Turkish student lives in Istanbul, I am deeply in full of sorrow that we have lost one of our brothers named Hrant Dink who always wanted the foundation of mutual understanding between Armenians and Turks. I will be in funeral ceremony and will walk about 8 km from Agos to MeryemAna Armenian Church. Believe in me that the proportion of Turks who understand and accept your past extreme distress is not likely small. 
Hrant always believed that Turks should leave their paranoiac feelings about Armenians and Armenians should leave their trauma in order to establish mutual understanding between us.
Please recall that we were real brothers in Anatolia until Ottoman-Russian War and Berlin Agreement of 1878. Turks and Armenians have accused each other of being traitor. Like a couple who truly loved each other. Something happened and we are in this situation.      
Only we can cope with this bad situation. Only we can solve our problems. Not the US or EU. That is what Hrant said and wanted.
Please note that what I wrote here is not the only feelings because of the assasination of Hrant. I had the same feelings after the assasination of 41 Turkish        
diplomats by ASALA in mid 70s and 80s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a Turkish student lives in Istanbul, I am deeply in full of sorrow that we have lost one of our brothers named Hrant Dink who always wanted the foundation of mutual understanding between Armenians and Turks. I will be in funeral ceremony and will walk about 8 km from Agos to MeryemAna Armenian Church. Believe in me that the proportion of Turks who understand and accept your past extreme distress is not likely small.<br />
Hrant always believed that Turks should leave their paranoiac feelings about Armenians and Armenians should leave their trauma in order to establish mutual understanding between us.<br />
Please recall that we were real brothers in Anatolia until Ottoman-Russian War and Berlin Agreement of 1878. Turks and Armenians have accused each other of being traitor. Like a couple who truly loved each other. Something happened and we are in this situation.<br />
Only we can cope with this bad situation. Only we can solve our problems. Not the US or EU. That is what Hrant said and wanted.<br />
Please note that what I wrote here is not the only feelings because of the assasination of Hrant. I had the same feelings after the assasination of 41 Turkish<br />
diplomats by ASALA in mid 70s and 80s.
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		<title>by: jale</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:56:45 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear all,
i am Turkish. I feel deeply sorry for Hrant, and couldnt hold my tears when watching the news. You should all know that we were brothers 100 years ago..It is such a shame that we dont know each other anymore. We could have been speaking Armenian or Turkish now. You think Turks are blood thirsty monsters. We are not. We are you and you are us. We have the same reaction to events, good or bad. Talking about genocide only damages our relations. Yes there were mass killings and Turks got killed too. OR circassians, or Kurds.... In my grandma's time, mentioning races when talking about humans was rude and shameful. I grew up with Armenians (yes there are still lots in Istanbul) and Jews thinking exactly the same way as me. I did not agree Hrant that it was genocide, as some Armenians were armed, and had joined the Russian army.I agreed what happened is tragic and we should take lessons from it. I agreed also to him that this hatred against a race is a unifying force to Armenian diaspora. Turkish of today are not even a race. We are ethnically a soup. You are hating something that doesnot exist. Anyway, whatever I agreed or not, Hrant had the right to say whatever he thinks. And I have the right to say what I think also. The nationalist bastard who killed Hrant has the same mentality with some Armenian disapora who stopped a common international association to be formed  to investigate the genocide. love to you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dear all,<br />
i am Turkish. I feel deeply sorry for Hrant, and couldnt hold my tears when watching the news. You should all know that we were brothers 100 years ago..It is such a shame that we dont know each other anymore. We could have been speaking Armenian or Turkish now. You think Turks are blood thirsty monsters. We are not. We are you and you are us. We have the same reaction to events, good or bad. Talking about genocide only damages our relations. Yes there were mass killings and Turks got killed too. OR circassians, or Kurds&#8230;. In my grandma&#8217;s time, mentioning races when talking about humans was rude and shameful. I grew up with Armenians (yes there are still lots in Istanbul) and Jews thinking exactly the same way as me. I did not agree Hrant that it was genocide, as some Armenians were armed, and had joined the Russian army.I agreed what happened is tragic and we should take lessons from it. I agreed also to him that this hatred against a race is a unifying force to Armenian diaspora. Turkish of today are not even a race. We are ethnically a soup. You are hating something that doesnot exist. Anyway, whatever I agreed or not, Hrant had the right to say whatever he thinks. And I have the right to say what I think also. The nationalist bastard who killed Hrant has the same mentality with some Armenian disapora who stopped a common international association to be formed  to investigate the genocide. love to you all.
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		<title>by: Vasken</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:14:12 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>For anyone who has been following the funeral it is obvious what an outpouring of grief there is in Turkey, among both Armenians and Turks.

Turkey has changed more in the past 5 years than in the previous 80. Some of this was due to Hrant's work. It is a tragedy that he was murdered when he had so much more to contribute to the dialogue between Armenians and Turks.

He believed that Turkey would come to terms with the legacy of the Armenian Genocide only through internal discussion and out of that would come atonement and an improvement in the lot of all the minorities in Turkey, both muslim and non-muslim. He was anathema to Armenian nationalists who are now shedding crocodile tears for him.

He was against, as I am and many Armenians I know are, the idiotic French law that criminalizes denial of the genocide. You do not shut those you disagree with by legilative means (or the bullet for that matter). You discredit them with the power of facts, reason and argument.

Turks have started realising that what their State has been saying for the past 80 years is a big lie. There is still the nationalist right and ultra right which is very entrenched that won't tolerate any deviation from their racist beliefs. Hrant Dink's death shows that clearly.  There are however brave voices chipping away at this idea of a 'monoculture' which indoctrinates every schoolkid in Turkey today.

A Turkey that is European, human rights oriented and at peace with all its neighbours is the best guarantee for the Armenian State as well as for the remnaining Armenians in Turkey. 

The response to the death fills me with hope as Armenians and Turks carry on down the path that Hrant carved. The new editor of Agos, Etyen Mahcupyan is the other  bright voice of Turkey's Armenians. I am sure Agos will carry on being vocal. Let the nationalists in Turkey and our own nationalists keep on braying. As we say in Armenian 'barab dagare shad tsayn ge hane! (The barrel that is empty makes the loudest noise... ok sounds better in Armenian!). They thrive off each other! The only thing they stand for is hate!

Many of us, Turks and Armenians are tired of this. We need to move forward. The States (both Turkey and Armenia) will have to eventually follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For anyone who has been following the funeral it is obvious what an outpouring of grief there is in Turkey, among both Armenians and Turks.</p>
	<p>Turkey has changed more in the past 5 years than in the previous 80. Some of this was due to Hrant&#8217;s work. It is a tragedy that he was murdered when he had so much more to contribute to the dialogue between Armenians and Turks.</p>
	<p>He believed that Turkey would come to terms with the legacy of the Armenian Genocide only through internal discussion and out of that would come atonement and an improvement in the lot of all the minorities in Turkey, both muslim and non-muslim. He was anathema to Armenian nationalists who are now shedding crocodile tears for him.</p>
	<p>He was against, as I am and many Armenians I know are, the idiotic French law that criminalizes denial of the genocide. You do not shut those you disagree with by legilative means (or the bullet for that matter). You discredit them with the power of facts, reason and argument.</p>
	<p>Turks have started realising that what their State has been saying for the past 80 years is a big lie. There is still the nationalist right and ultra right which is very entrenched that won&#8217;t tolerate any deviation from their racist beliefs. Hrant Dink&#8217;s death shows that clearly.  There are however brave voices chipping away at this idea of a &#8216;monoculture&#8217; which indoctrinates every schoolkid in Turkey today.</p>
	<p>A Turkey that is European, human rights oriented and at peace with all its neighbours is the best guarantee for the Armenian State as well as for the remnaining Armenians in Turkey. </p>
	<p>The response to the death fills me with hope as Armenians and Turks carry on down the path that Hrant carved. The new editor of Agos, Etyen Mahcupyan is the other  bright voice of Turkey&#8217;s Armenians. I am sure Agos will carry on being vocal. Let the nationalists in Turkey and our own nationalists keep on braying. As we say in Armenian &#8216;barab dagare shad tsayn ge hane! (The barrel that is empty makes the loudest noise&#8230; ok sounds better in Armenian!). They thrive off each other! The only thing they stand for is hate!</p>
	<p>Many of us, Turks and Armenians are tired of this. We need to move forward. The States (both Turkey and Armenia) will have to eventually follow.
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		<title>by: Vasken</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2007/01/21/we-are-all-hrant-dinkwe-are-all-armenian/#comment-243141</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:32:15 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>ps to my note above. It is important to remember that the views of Torosyan re European integration don't really matter. It is not his decision to make. 

So many, Turks and Armenians alike, are trying to score cheap political points out of this heinous crime. They should be exposed for what they are. Tashnags marching in Yerevan! Give me a break! They are our own Armenian Nazis! They stand against everything Hrant stood for! Just like Devlet Bahceli's Nazis in Turkey!

Posturing and making declarations is the easy way out. If these people want to make a difference they should concentrate on building bridges with the sizable number of Turks and others who are challenging their own constitution and historiography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ps to my note above. It is important to remember that the views of Torosyan re European integration don&#8217;t really matter. It is not his decision to make. </p>
	<p>So many, Turks and Armenians alike, are trying to score cheap political points out of this heinous crime. They should be exposed for what they are. Tashnags marching in Yerevan! Give me a break! They are our own Armenian Nazis! They stand against everything Hrant stood for! Just like Devlet Bahceli&#8217;s Nazis in Turkey!</p>
	<p>Posturing and making declarations is the easy way out. If these people want to make a difference they should concentrate on building bridges with the sizable number of Turks and others who are challenging their own constitution and historiography.
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