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		<title>by: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204229</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:18:37 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting, but as many officials don't declare their wealth or incomes properly, I' guessing these figures are estimates? Do you have any idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interesting, but as many officials don&#8217;t declare their wealth or incomes properly, I&#8217; guessing these figures are estimates? Do you have any idea?
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		<title>by: Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204300</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:43:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204300</guid>
					<description>The Hayq newspaper is also troubled by this list: they say it is strange that Samvel Aleksanyan, Hovik Abrahamyan, Andranik Margaryan and Tigran Sargsyan haven't made into the list. Moreover, it expresses surprise at finding, that Robert Kocharyan and Serge Sargsyan are so far below in the list, and suggests that they ought to be the first two.

I can't say I like &quot;Hayk&quot; newspaper, but this article is definately intersting!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Hayq newspaper is also troubled by this list: they say it is strange that Samvel Aleksanyan, Hovik Abrahamyan, Andranik Margaryan and Tigran Sargsyan haven&#8217;t made into the list. Moreover, it expresses surprise at finding, that Robert Kocharyan and Serge Sargsyan are so far below in the list, and suggests that they ought to be the first two.</p>
	<p>I can&#8217;t say I like &#8220;Hayk&#8221; newspaper, but this article is definately intersting!!!
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		<title>by: Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204302</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:46:17 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204302</guid>
					<description>Here's a direct link to the source of the information:
http://www.panorama.am/am/society/2006/12/13/z/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s a direct link to the source of the information:<br />
<a href='http://www.panorama.am/am/society/2006/12/13/z/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.panorama.am/am/society/2006/12/13/z/</a>
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		<title>by: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204326</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:28:21 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204326</guid>
					<description>It's interesting. I mean, I remember one analyst telling me in 2002 that he estimated Serzh Sarkisyan's fortune at about $75 million. Then again, we have another problem in that some people believe that Tsarukian is a front for Kocharian or Serzh -- probably the former given how Prosperous Armenia is haping up -- whereas the Defense Minister is linked very closely to Baghdasarov.

Anyway, interesting to ponder and as you say, the first reaction of people is amazement that some officials have less than others. Everybody knows they're loaded, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s interesting. I mean, I remember one analyst telling me in 2002 that he estimated Serzh Sarkisyan&#8217;s fortune at about $75 million. Then again, we have another problem in that some people believe that Tsarukian is a front for Kocharian or Serzh &#8212; probably the former given how Prosperous Armenia is haping up &#8212; whereas the Defense Minister is linked very closely to Baghdasarov.</p>
	<p>Anyway, interesting to ponder and as you say, the first reaction of people is amazement that some officials have less than others. Everybody knows they&#8217;re loaded, of course.
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		<title>by: Armen</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204485</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:19:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204485</guid>
					<description>According to &quot;168 Hours&quot; semiweekly, Armenian &quot;Forbe's&quot; has already released, with the list published above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>According to &#8220;168 Hours&#8221; semiweekly, Armenian &#8220;Forbe&#8217;s&#8221; has already released, with the list published above.
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		<title>by: Harmick</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204773</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:20:17 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-204773</guid>
					<description>I am shocked at how much money these guys actually have , though.

I didn't realise it was this bad. Tsarukyan has 500 million ?!! It just goes to show, really, the whole country is stinking of money driven politics.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am shocked at how much money these guys actually have , though.</p>
	<p>I didn&#8217;t realise it was this bad. Tsarukyan has 500 million ?!! It just goes to show, really, the whole country is stinking of money driven politics.
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		<title>by: Հայաստանցի</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-205099</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:26:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-205099</guid>
					<description>The original postings says Forbes soon to be launched, later reprints in other media say it has already been published... Today I came to work, people here are already call it &quot;official rating&quot;. Guys, I think our natural &quot;բարի նախանձ&quot; sensors have appreciated this information so much that we neglected its legacy. Who and how made those estimations? we have neighbour that does nothing but sitting in the yard from 9am to 9pm with tzvekh. I guess he is know employer by HayForbes. In 90's he was swearing that Grzo's net worth exceeded that of Kirk. 
Lets calm down and discuss issues really deserving our attention. When will be posting about Jirayr Sifilyan? Anyoone interested in that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The original postings says Forbes soon to be launched, later reprints in other media say it has already been published&#8230; Today I came to work, people here are already call it &#8220;official rating&#8221;. Guys, I think our natural &#8220;բարի նախանձ&#8221; sensors have appreciated this information so much that we neglected its legacy. Who and how made those estimations? we have neighbour that does nothing but sitting in the yard from 9am to 9pm with tzvekh. I guess he is know employer by HayForbes. In 90&#8217;s he was swearing that Grzo&#8217;s net worth exceeded that of Kirk.<br />
Lets calm down and discuss issues really deserving our attention. When will be posting about Jirayr Sifilyan? Anyoone interested in that?
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		<title>by: Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-205218</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:49:17 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-205218</guid>
					<description>Hi Hayastanci... I'm looking at the Forbes journal right now. Yes, you are right, it was launched today, so my original posting, saying that it isn't launched is true, but doesn't contradict with those saying that it was already printed, because in order for the journal to be in my hands today, it must have been printed at least yesterday ;)

Regarding the &quot;official rating&quot; - I didn't notice anyone  at least on this blog, calling it anywhere near being official. Moreover, I'm reading the lines in Forbes (Page 9, Forbes Armenian Version, December 2006 issue)explaining, that this list can in no way be  regarded as something serious. They have a lengthy discussion about the methodology, and I think it is only honest, that I don't disclose it here, and suggest you to go buy the journal of your own and read it.

The other issue your brought up is: When will be posting about Jirayr Sifilyan? I have the following comments:
a) &lt;a href=&quot;http://oneworld.blogsome.com/&quot;&gt;Onnik Krikoryan&lt;/a&gt; has covered the issue in his blog so well, that I didn't find it necessary to create a false and needless sense of competition by doing one myself, especially as I'm very busy these days. 
b) I also didn't have anything more to say, or anything to say differently then &lt;a href=&quot;http://oneworld.blogsome.com/&quot;&gt;Onnik&lt;/a&gt; has done, so why would I do it??? If you do have important points - 
write an e-mail to blogrel@katypearce.org or myself at angry.root@gmail.com and you can almost be sure, that it will be posted on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Hayastanci&#8230; I&#8217;m looking at the Forbes journal right now. Yes, you are right, it was launched today, so my original posting, saying that it isn&#8217;t launched is true, but doesn&#8217;t contradict with those saying that it was already printed, because in order for the journal to be in my hands today, it must have been printed at least yesterday <img src='http://www.blogrel.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Regarding the &#8220;official rating&#8221; - I didn&#8217;t notice anyone  at least on this blog, calling it anywhere near being official. Moreover, I&#8217;m reading the lines in Forbes (Page 9, Forbes Armenian Version, December 2006 issue)explaining, that this list can in no way be  regarded as something serious. They have a lengthy discussion about the methodology, and I think it is only honest, that I don&#8217;t disclose it here, and suggest you to go buy the journal of your own and read it.</p>
	<p>The other issue your brought up is: When will be posting about Jirayr Sifilyan? I have the following comments:<br />
a) <a href="http://oneworld.blogsome.com/">Onnik Krikoryan</a> has covered the issue in his blog so well, that I didn&#8217;t find it necessary to create a false and needless sense of competition by doing one myself, especially as I&#8217;m very busy these days.<br />
b) I also didn&#8217;t have anything more to say, or anything to say differently then <a href="http://oneworld.blogsome.com/">Onnik</a> has done, so why would I do it??? If you do have important points -<br />
write an e-mail to <a href="mailto:blogrel@katypearce.org">blogrel@katypearce.org</a> or myself at <a href="mailto:angry.root@gmail.com">angry.root@gmail.com</a> and you can almost be sure, that it will be posted on this blog.
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		<title>by: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-205747</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:10:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-205747</guid>
					<description>I think it's worth saying again that these figures can only be estimates as none of these guys are fully declaring their wealth or paying the appropiate amount of taxes for their personal income or businesses. 

Interestingly, Serzh Sarkisyan has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2006/12/13615B6E-BC83-4A41-8922-925C9822578A.ASP&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;come out and said the same thing&lt;/a&gt; in response to claims that he's worth so much. In particular, he says that the owner of the magazine is actually someone linked to Tsarukian so should therefore be careful what he says.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Incidentally, the new Armenian magazine is run by a talk show host working for a television station controlled by Tsarukian. Sarkisian pounced on this fact, indicating that he believes Tsarukian himself drew up and publicized the list. He also implied that he shares the widely held belief that the ambitious tycoon grossly underreports his earnings to evade taxes. 

“The list also includes some businessmen,” Sarkisian said. “Do you know that those businessmen had to disclose their income? Did they really disclose it? Please ask them, the publishers. It looks like one of the publishers himself included his name [on the list].” 

“Ask him how much he declared. If his [income] declaration is credible, then so is the sum attributed to me,” he added. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Still, we know these guys are loaded and avoiding paying their taxes and so on. In the case of Serzh, for example, we know that even his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2005/10/8D5A6180-67B7-4DB9-8365-35BB8918B5E1.ASP&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brother is loaded&lt;/a&gt;, but small fry compared to what is alleged about his bro.

Regarding Sefilyan, however, I'd just like to say that I wish Armenian blogs would link to each other more. For example, not every reader of this blog reads my blog and vice-versa so not necessarily does someone find out about a particular story. Besides, even if you have nothing to add it would still be interesting to hear your opinion, whether you disagree or agree, or whether you even care at all.

As an example, I could have left out mention of this Top Ten on my site, but rather than assume people had seen it on Blogrel I &lt;a href=&quot;http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-richest-people-in-armenia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;linked to it&lt;/a&gt; and added my own brief 2 cents. That's how I think blogs should be -- creating a network of original material, but also links to each other. 

After all, that's what trackbacks are really set up to show even if none of us seem to be using them. Unfortunately, the trackbacks option for my site doesn't work unless you enter the full trackback URL and it's only wordpress.com that seems to have them automatic by default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think it&#8217;s worth saying again that these figures can only be estimates as none of these guys are fully declaring their wealth or paying the appropiate amount of taxes for their personal income or businesses. </p>
	<p>Interestingly, Serzh Sarkisyan has <a href="http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2006/12/13615B6E-BC83-4A41-8922-925C9822578A.ASP" rel="nofollow">come out and said the same thing</a> in response to claims that he&#8217;s worth so much. In particular, he says that the owner of the magazine is actually someone linked to Tsarukian so should therefore be careful what he says.</p>
	<blockquote><p>Incidentally, the new Armenian magazine is run by a talk show host working for a television station controlled by Tsarukian. Sarkisian pounced on this fact, indicating that he believes Tsarukian himself drew up and publicized the list. He also implied that he shares the widely held belief that the ambitious tycoon grossly underreports his earnings to evade taxes. </p>
	<p>“The list also includes some businessmen,” Sarkisian said. “Do you know that those businessmen had to disclose their income? Did they really disclose it? Please ask them, the publishers. It looks like one of the publishers himself included his name [on the list].” </p>
	<p>“Ask him how much he declared. If his [income] declaration is credible, then so is the sum attributed to me,” he added.
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	<p>Still, we know these guys are loaded and avoiding paying their taxes and so on. In the case of Serzh, for example, we know that even his <a href="http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2005/10/8D5A6180-67B7-4DB9-8365-35BB8918B5E1.ASP" rel="nofollow">brother is loaded</a>, but small fry compared to what is alleged about his bro.</p>
	<p>Regarding Sefilyan, however, I&#8217;d just like to say that I wish Armenian blogs would link to each other more. For example, not every reader of this blog reads my blog and vice-versa so not necessarily does someone find out about a particular story. Besides, even if you have nothing to add it would still be interesting to hear your opinion, whether you disagree or agree, or whether you even care at all.</p>
	<p>As an example, I could have left out mention of this Top Ten on my site, but rather than assume people had seen it on Blogrel I <a href="http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-richest-people-in-armenia/" rel="nofollow">linked to it</a> and added my own brief 2 cents. That&#8217;s how I think blogs should be &#8212; creating a network of original material, but also links to each other. </p>
	<p>After all, that&#8217;s what trackbacks are really set up to show even if none of us seem to be using them. Unfortunately, the trackbacks option for my site doesn&#8217;t work unless you enter the full trackback URL and it&#8217;s only wordpress.com that seems to have them automatic by default.
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		<title>by: Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2006/12/14/top-ten-rich-people-in-armenia/#comment-205965</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:05:23 -0800</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Onnik, regarding the cross-linking issue... now that you spoke your mind I have to note, that I agree to everything you just said. Frankly I have been thinking of this issue since your post called &lt;a href=http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/29/2007-parliamentary-election-monitor/&gt;2007 Parliamentary Elections Monitor, which gave me the idea &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogrel.com/2006/11/01/elections-2007-deception-point/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to post on the issue as well&lt;/a&gt; and your comments about it in your original post, where you said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Hopefully we can set a precedent in the Armenian blogosphere for working together rather than in competition.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This got me thinking... maybe I misunderstood somethings, but that's not the issue. I understood we need some sort of rules and models of cooperation, or &quot;Terms and Conditions&quot; type of something. The stakes are too high, and blogs have too great a potential to risk it and loose it to chaos.  Moreover, I've been trying to develop some sort of a blogging/commenting nettiquette, especially geared towards commenting/posting in a multicountry / crossboarder environment (meaning: Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Turks, Georgians, Russians posting in the same blog), and thought your ideas and experience in this area would be very helpful. But you are even more busy then I am, so I've sort of given up my attempts to try and meet in person:D 

At any rate this issue is worth paying some attention to, so if you do find time, let's discuss it - at least electronically, if face to face meeting is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Onnik, regarding the cross-linking issue&#8230; now that you spoke your mind I have to note, that I agree to everything you just said. Frankly I have been thinking of this issue since your post called <a href=http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/29/2007-parliamentary-election-monitor/>2007 Parliamentary Elections Monitor, which gave me the idea <a href="http://www.blogrel.com/2006/11/01/elections-2007-deception-point/" rel="nofollow">to post on the issue as well</a> and your comments about it in your original post, where you said:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Hopefully we can set a precedent in the Armenian blogosphere for working together rather than in competition.</p></blockquote>
	<p>This got me thinking&#8230; maybe I misunderstood somethings, but that&#8217;s not the issue. I understood we need some sort of rules and models of cooperation, or &#8220;Terms and Conditions&#8221; type of something. The stakes are too high, and blogs have too great a potential to risk it and loose it to chaos.  Moreover, I&#8217;ve been trying to develop some sort of a blogging/commenting nettiquette, especially geared towards commenting/posting in a multicountry / crossboarder environment (meaning: Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Turks, Georgians, Russians posting in the same blog), and thought your ideas and experience in this area would be very helpful. But you are even more busy then I am, so I&#8217;ve sort of given up my attempts to try and meet in person:D </p>
	<p>At any rate this issue is worth paying some attention to, so if you do find time, let&#8217;s discuss it - at least electronically, if face to face meeting is impossible.
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