Comments on: Genocide Vote: Impacts, Consequences http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/ A blog about Armenia: business, politics, the future and good lavash Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:51:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5 by: Qnnich http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-168963 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:10:01 -0700 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-168963 So whose side are you on anyway??? So whose side are you on anyway???

]]> by: Observer http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-168967 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:23:47 -0700 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-168967 I insist, that Turkey should acknowledge the Armenian Genocide and bear the full consequences. But I also think, that Freedom of Speech is of absolute value, and every limitation of it is a little bit too much. I insist, that Turkey should acknowledge the Armenian Genocide and bear the full consequences. But I also think, that Freedom of Speech is of absolute value, and every limitation of it is a little bit too much.

]]> by: Observer http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-169015 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:58:25 -0700 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-169015 <strong>Statement by H. E. Vartan Oskanian Minister of Foreign Affairs of Armenia On the French National Assembly vote of October 12, 2006 Yerevan, Armenia October 12, 2006</strong> Today's approval of the bill by the French National Assembly is a natural continuation of France's principled and consistent defense of human and historic rights and values. This decision is also a natural reaction to the intensive, aggressive and official denialism of the Armenian Genocide by the Turkish state. They have undertaken a premeditated, planned assault on the truth. To adopt such a decision is the French Parliament's sovereign right and is understandable. What we don't understand is the Turkish government's instigation of extremist public reactions, especially while Turkey itself has a law that does exactly the same thing and punishes those who even use the term genocide or venture to discuss those events. Statement by H. E. Vartan Oskanian Minister of Foreign Affairs of Armenia On the French National Assembly vote of October 12, 2006 Yerevan, Armenia
October 12, 2006

Today’s approval of the bill by the French National Assembly is a natural continuation of France’s principled and consistent defense of human and historic rights and values.

This decision is also a natural reaction to the intensive, aggressive and official denialism of the Armenian Genocide by the Turkish state. They have undertaken a premeditated, planned assault on the truth.

To adopt such a decision is the French Parliament’s sovereign right and is understandable. What we don’t understand is the Turkish government’s instigation of extremist public reactions, especially while Turkey itself has a law that does exactly the same thing and punishes those who even use the term genocide or venture to discuss those events.

]]> by: metin http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-170843 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:15:07 -0700 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-170843 I am in agreement with some of your points, especially about Mr. Pamuk's literary merit being lost amid the discussions of genocide. I also believe as a member of 'Europe,' as you suggested, restricting the freedom of expression and speech is a step backward, especially coming from France. Shame on France for lowering itself to the level the Armenians hold Turkey at. And sorry for the Armenians siding with the French on this one, when in the long run, any debate over freedoms and liberties would outlive any acceptance or denial of genocide or massacre. Maybe the Turks need to rise up and start asking questions and resolve this issue once and for all. And maybe the <b>Armenians should favor freedom of expression about claims of rejecting genocide as much as they do acceptance of genocide.</b> I am in agreement with some of your points, especially about Mr. Pamuk’s literary merit being lost amid the discussions of genocide. I also believe as a member of ‘Europe,’ as you suggested, restricting the freedom of expression and speech is a step backward, especially coming from France. Shame on France for lowering itself to the level the Armenians hold Turkey at. And sorry for the Armenians siding with the French on this one, when in the long run, any debate over freedoms and liberties would outlive any acceptance or denial of genocide or massacre.

Maybe the Turks need to rise up and start asking questions and resolve this issue once and for all. And maybe the Armenians should favor freedom of expression about claims of rejecting genocide as much as they do acceptance of genocide.

]]> by: Elif Ertengil http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-173098 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:27:12 -0700 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-173098 Republic of Turkiye is always willing to open up its archieves in order to prove that a genocide has not happened. If you or any of your friends know Turkish, then I would recommend you to visit the Government Archieves of Turkish Republic, if you are not able to do that, then I'd recommend you to visit the site: http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html One should be Turk in order to realise the truth about Armenians, it is not a genocide nor a war against those people. Jews were killed by Hitler, none of them remaining were rich, but Armenians were able to build up their own government after the World War I and Turkish Independence War. If they were killed like the Jews, then how would they build up their own government?? People are free to declare their opinions but only after analysing what they are talking about!!! Republic of Turkiye is always willing to open up its archieves in order to prove that a genocide has not happened. If you or any of your friends know Turkish, then I would recommend you to visit the Government Archieves of Turkish Republic, if you are not able to do that, then I’d recommend you to visit the site: http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html
One should be Turk in order to realise the truth about Armenians, it is not a genocide nor a war against those people. Jews were killed by Hitler, none of them remaining were rich, but Armenians were able to build up their own government after the World War I and Turkish Independence War. If they were killed like the Jews, then how would they build up their own government??
People are free to declare their opinions but only after analysing what they are talking about!!!

]]> by: Observer http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-173713 Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:39:01 -0700 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-173713 One should definitely NOT be Turk to "realise the truth about Armenians" as you are suggesting Elif. Moreover, one shouldn't even be Armenian, to "realise the truth about Armenians". Guess what? We are all very subjective!!! That is exactly why, one should be French, or Dutch, or Russian, or American, to try and dig to the truth. And many have done so. You have provided a link to one site which can in no way be considered trustworthy and reliable. I can give you a dozen links to sites advocating the opposite point. It was very clever of the Turkish government to suggest to open up its archives. It was very wise of the Armenian government to refuse to create an Armenian-Turkish research team - because that will be a complete failure. Now, in the interests of the truth, I would suggest these "clever" governments to invite truly objective, truly professional and non-Armenian and non-Turk researchers to investigate all the sources: including the archives of the Turkish government. And to, once again, prove the truth, which for me personally is that a horrible crime against humanity was committed, and for you: Elif, is the opposite. The truth is, for me this point is above discussion and dispute. What is important for me - is the fact, that our governments and generations of Armenians and Truks will keep this race of endless propaganda, hate speach, mutual disrespect, xenophobia, instead of doing the one and only logical thing: opening up the free discussion the issue, finding a solution, and trying to reconcile. How long will this continue? One should definitely NOT be Turk to “realise the truth about Armenians” as you are suggesting Elif. Moreover, one shouldn’t even be Armenian, to “realise the truth about Armenians”. Guess what? We are all very subjective!!!

That is exactly why, one should be French, or Dutch, or Russian, or American, to try and dig to the truth. And many have done so. You have provided a link to one site which can in no way be considered trustworthy and reliable. I can give you a dozen links to sites advocating the opposite point.

It was very clever of the Turkish government to suggest to open up its archives. It was very wise of the Armenian government to refuse to create an Armenian-Turkish research team - because that will be a complete failure. Now, in the interests of the truth, I would suggest these “clever” governments to invite truly objective, truly professional and non-Armenian and non-Turk researchers to investigate all the sources: including the archives of the Turkish government. And to, once again, prove the truth, which for me personally is that a horrible crime against humanity was committed, and for you: Elif, is the opposite.

The truth is, for me this point is above discussion and dispute. What is important for me - is the fact, that our governments and generations of Armenians and Truks will keep this race of endless propaganda, hate speach, mutual disrespect, xenophobia, instead of doing the one and only logical thing: opening up the free discussion the issue, finding a solution, and trying to reconcile.

How long will this continue?

]]> by: a turk http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-187268 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:54:20 -0800 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-187268 funny to talk about Turkish 'xenophobia'...i mean at least by Armenians... Have you ever wondered how many Armenians still live in TR today? How many Armenian citizen Armenians "illegally" work and survive in TR? (According to TR gov't = 40,000, TR gov't close their eyes for them, just as any other neighbors who need to bring food to their homes: Ukranians, Iraqis, Iranians, Romanians, Bulgarians, they all "illegal" in Istanbul) I am not talking about Turkish-Armenians here. (around 60,000) Don't we know that Armenians are proud of their country's "ethnic" unity? (claiming "Purest" ethnic population) in every opportunity. Haven't they occupied and forced quarter millions of Azerbaijanis from their homes in 1990s? Armenia feels all the wind behind their back; mostly due to the rich diaspora in USA, Russia, France, Canada, etc. But Armenians in Armenia should know that, they are in land-locked country, neighbor of TR and Azerbaijan! (And Russia and Iran soon will not be able to give arms to you, believe me!) Previous Turkish generations, didn't take the Armenian propaganda seriously, for them the issue was CLOSED after acquitting in Malta trials by British Army. As Mr.Sarkozy said in Algeria they thought "you can't punish the sons for father's mistakes'...But new TR generations are coming...watch out...will not be that silent, they know the rules of the game in this global village. I would suggest Armenians to spend their money on food, not on arms and propaganda... Peace! funny to talk about Turkish ‘xenophobia’…i mean at least by Armenians…

Have you ever wondered how many Armenians still live in TR today? How many Armenian citizen Armenians “illegally” work and survive in TR? (According to TR gov’t = 40,000, TR gov’t close their eyes for them, just as any other neighbors who need to bring food to their homes: Ukranians, Iraqis, Iranians, Romanians, Bulgarians, they all “illegal” in Istanbul) I am not talking about Turkish-Armenians here. (around 60,000)

Don’t we know that Armenians are proud of their country’s “ethnic” unity? (claiming “Purest” ethnic population) in every opportunity. Haven’t they occupied and forced quarter millions of Azerbaijanis from their homes in 1990s?

Armenia feels all the wind behind their back; mostly due to the rich diaspora in USA, Russia, France, Canada, etc. But Armenians in Armenia should know that, they are in land-locked country, neighbor of TR and Azerbaijan! (And Russia and Iran soon will not be able to give arms to you, believe me!)

Previous Turkish generations, didn’t take the Armenian propaganda seriously, for them the issue was CLOSED after acquitting in Malta trials by British Army. As Mr.Sarkozy said in Algeria they thought “you can’t punish the sons for father’s mistakes’…But new TR generations are coming…watch out…will not be that silent, they know the rules of the game in this global village.

I would suggest Armenians to spend their money on food, not on arms and propaganda…

Peace!

]]> by: Observer http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-188663 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:08:52 -0800 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-188663 The way you are accentuating the discussion is a dead-end, so I won't argue any of your points. Moreover, on a positive note, I will agree with you on that: Armenians should spend their money on food, not on arms and propaganda. I presume saying food, you mean a much more complex approach of global economic development of the country - not food in a literal meaning. To be more constructive, I would suggest, that the Turks do the same, as the Turks who cannot make a living in Turkey have emigrated in such volumes, that they are flooding Europe: Germany, Austria, etc., and they are definitely more then the 40,000 Armenians, allegedly living in Turkey and making a living there. Peace! ...and courage to Turkey to become a truly democratic country. We, Armenians want to see a civilized country along our western border, instead of what we have now. The way you are accentuating the discussion is a dead-end, so I won’t argue any of your points. Moreover, on a positive note, I will agree with you on that: Armenians should spend their money on food, not on arms and propaganda. I presume saying food, you mean a much more complex approach of global economic development of the country - not food in a literal meaning.

To be more constructive, I would suggest, that the Turks do the same, as the Turks who cannot make a living in Turkey have emigrated in such volumes, that they are flooding Europe: Germany, Austria, etc., and they are definitely more then the 40,000 Armenians, allegedly living in Turkey and making a living there.

Peace! …and courage to Turkey to become a truly democratic country. We, Armenians want to see a civilized country along our western border, instead of what we have now.

]]> by: Orhan http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-196443 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:33:43 -0800 http://www.blogrel.com/2006/10/13/genocide-vote-impacts-consequences/#comment-196443 Why is the discussion a dead-end Observer? Armenia's situation is deplorable it is a land locked nation with a tiny economy, corruption and criminal activities are rampant. Armenia and its diaspora hold on to unreliable allies like Russia and Iran. That will betray them anyway. It would be in Armenia's best interest to have good relations with Turkey, otherwise its doomed. You say that Turks flood Europe, Turkish workers were invited by these countries themselfes. First Turks arrived in Germany some 50 years ago. Now more and more Turks are going back to Turkey because of the high unemployment in western Europe. As a Turk living in western Europe I can say that Europe is finished they cant compete with either the USA or Asia, because of the aging population. Infact more Turks are returning then Turks leaving for Europe. Why is the discussion a dead-end Observer? Armenia’s situation is deplorable it is a land locked nation with a tiny economy, corruption and criminal activities are rampant. Armenia and its diaspora hold on to unreliable allies like Russia and Iran. That will betray them anyway. It would be in Armenia’s best interest to have good relations with Turkey, otherwise its doomed.

You say that Turks flood Europe, Turkish workers were invited by these countries themselfes. First Turks arrived in Germany some 50 years ago. Now more and more Turks are going back to Turkey because of the high unemployment in western Europe. As a Turk living in western Europe I can say that Europe is finished they cant compete with either the USA or Asia, because of the aging population. Infact more Turks are returning then Turks leaving for Europe.

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