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		<title>by: Vahe</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2370</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:29:14 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>Guys... with all respect. I do &quot;admire&quot; the ability of separating politics from the rest of the life (including jazz), but I guess the issue of Armenia vs. Turks (and Azeris are the same Turks, just probably less civilized) is more a life-death one. Those guys were, are and, I am afraid, will be doing everything they can to eliminate the Armenian nation from the surface of the Earth (on some degree they've succeeded). Including the authors. So I personally find a &quot;harmless chat&quot; about their culture (or sports, or business or whatever) a little tasteless. Again, don't get me wrong, its your BLOG and you are welcome to post any topic you find appropriate. I just felt a little uneasy, that's it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Guys&#8230; with all respect. I do &#8220;admire&#8221; the ability of separating politics from the rest of the life (including jazz), but I guess the issue of Armenia vs. Turks (and Azeris are the same Turks, just probably less civilized) is more a life-death one. Those guys were, are and, I am afraid, will be doing everything they can to eliminate the Armenian nation from the surface of the Earth (on some degree they&#8217;ve succeeded). Including the authors. So I personally find a &#8220;harmless chat&#8221; about their culture (or sports, or business or whatever) a little tasteless. Again, don&#8217;t get me wrong, its your BLOG and you are welcome to post any topic you find appropriate. I just felt a little uneasy, that&#8217;s it&#8230;
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2371</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:31:11 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>Tried to listen to &quot;Shamans&quot; this morning and when it's mainly instrumental (her piano playing is wonderful) it's okay. However, I'm not so keen on the vocals. Not as good as her other mainly instrumental and debut self-titled album. 

&quot;Always&quot; is just quite fantastic and perhaps the best jazz I've heard from the Caucasus which probably explains why a French Armenian at the French Embassy didn't return it before leaving Armenia. Doesn't explain why it's the only Aziza CD unavailable in Yerevan, however.

Anyway, there's some Aziza Mustafa Zadeh samples online at &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.datacomm.ch/lawless/soundbites_title.htm
&quot;&gt;http://home.datacomm.ch/lawless/soundbites_title.htm&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tried to listen to &#8220;Shamans&#8221; this morning and when it&#8217;s mainly instrumental (her piano playing is wonderful) it&#8217;s okay. However, I&#8217;m not so keen on the vocals. Not as good as her other mainly instrumental and debut self-titled album. </p>
	<p>&#8220;Always&#8221; is just quite fantastic and perhaps the best jazz I&#8217;ve heard from the Caucasus which probably explains why a French Armenian at the French Embassy didn&#8217;t return it before leaving Armenia. Doesn&#8217;t explain why it&#8217;s the only Aziza CD unavailable in Yerevan, however.</p>
	<p>Anyway, there&#8217;s some Aziza Mustafa Zadeh samples online at <a href="http://home.datacomm.ch/lawless/soundbites_title.htm<br />
"><a href='http://home.datacomm.ch/lawless/soundbites_title.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://home.datacomm.ch/lawless/soundbites_title.htm</a></a>
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2372</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:48:47 -0700</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2372</guid>
					<description>There has historically been (and still is to lesser extent) a great deal of cooperation in the area of art, culture and business between Armenians, Azeris and Turks. I can talk quite openly about Vagif and Aziza Mustafa Zadeh to musicians here and so why shouldn't I be able to do so on a blog. Like I said, all of Aziza Mustafa Zadeh's albums except for one are available for sale in CD shops in Yerevan. 

Moreover, when Azerbaijan is reported to have banned CDs by Charles Aznavour and we ridicule them for that, are you suggesting that it's okay for us to do the same? Or should we be glad when Djivan Gasparian performs in Turkey as he did recently? Shall we take this to an extreme and stop listening to Sayat Nova because he wrote songs in the Azeri language as well as Armenian and Georgian?

Listening to Aziza Mustafa Zadeh doesn't change my personal opinions on Karabagh but if it's any consolation, when I was first introduced to her music in London I thought it was Iranian (or at least some intriguing Iranian-Turkish mix) until I played it to a prominent Diasporan Armenian who said that she was singing in Azeri-Turkish. BTW: He liked it very much and listened to it on a CD walkman all the way to an Armenian Conference in Belgium.

Anyway, I find these arguments about culture unfortunate. When the ARF-D and AYF tried to prevent a half-Armenian and half-Bulgarian Russian singer (Philip Kirkorov) from performing in Armenia because he sang some Tarkan songs in Russian, a few Armenians pointed out that Armenian youth still listen to Tarkan in Turkish. Someone put it simply, &quot;rather than listen to Tarkan in Russian do they want us to listen to Tarkan in Turkish?&quot; 

Personally, I like some of Tarkan as well even though I worked for five years fighting human rights abuses in Turkey through Armenian and Kurdish groups.
 
Or as many Armenians here point out when Diasporans criticize hayastantsi for using Russian words in conversation, the Diaspora has assimilated Turkish words.  Or doesn't it get a little stupid when I'm listening to Richard Hagopian playing oud and singing [Western] Armenian songs and some idiots here complain because it sounds &quot;Turkish.&quot; This actually happened.

Culture should remain separate from politics but invariably is always hijacked. However, if Aziza Mustafa Zadeh was to call for the annihilation of Armenians I would probably stop listening to her music. Until then, it's good jazz. Anyway, hope there are no Queen fans out there because they say that Freddie Mercury (Faroukh Bulsara) is ethnically Azeri (from Iran). Don't know if this is true, however, but should it matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There has historically been (and still is to lesser extent) a great deal of cooperation in the area of art, culture and business between Armenians, Azeris and Turks. I can talk quite openly about Vagif and Aziza Mustafa Zadeh to musicians here and so why shouldn&#8217;t I be able to do so on a blog. Like I said, all of Aziza Mustafa Zadeh&#8217;s albums except for one are available for sale in CD shops in Yerevan. </p>
	<p>Moreover, when Azerbaijan is reported to have banned CDs by Charles Aznavour and we ridicule them for that, are you suggesting that it&#8217;s okay for us to do the same? Or should we be glad when Djivan Gasparian performs in Turkey as he did recently? Shall we take this to an extreme and stop listening to Sayat Nova because he wrote songs in the Azeri language as well as Armenian and Georgian?</p>
	<p>Listening to Aziza Mustafa Zadeh doesn&#8217;t change my personal opinions on Karabagh but if it&#8217;s any consolation, when I was first introduced to her music in London I thought it was Iranian (or at least some intriguing Iranian-Turkish mix) until I played it to a prominent Diasporan Armenian who said that she was singing in Azeri-Turkish. BTW: He liked it very much and listened to it on a CD walkman all the way to an Armenian Conference in Belgium.</p>
	<p>Anyway, I find these arguments about culture unfortunate. When the ARF-D and AYF tried to prevent a half-Armenian and half-Bulgarian Russian singer (Philip Kirkorov) from performing in Armenia because he sang some Tarkan songs in Russian, a few Armenians pointed out that Armenian youth still listen to Tarkan in Turkish. Someone put it simply, &#8220;rather than listen to Tarkan in Russian do they want us to listen to Tarkan in Turkish?&#8221; </p>
	<p>Personally, I like some of Tarkan as well even though I worked for five years fighting human rights abuses in Turkey through Armenian and Kurdish groups.</p>
	<p>Or as many Armenians here point out when Diasporans criticize hayastantsi for using Russian words in conversation, the Diaspora has assimilated Turkish words.  Or doesn&#8217;t it get a little stupid when I&#8217;m listening to Richard Hagopian playing oud and singing [Western] Armenian songs and some idiots here complain because it sounds &#8220;Turkish.&#8221; This actually happened.</p>
	<p>Culture should remain separate from politics but invariably is always hijacked. However, if Aziza Mustafa Zadeh was to call for the annihilation of Armenians I would probably stop listening to her music. Until then, it&#8217;s good jazz. Anyway, hope there are no Queen fans out there because they say that Freddie Mercury (Faroukh Bulsara) is ethnically Azeri (from Iran). Don&#8217;t know if this is true, however, but should it matter?
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2373</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:11:33 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>BTW: I'm interested. Should we stop using washing machines and other electrical appliances, digital cameras, stop using modern elevators and boycott buying cars with ABS and Cruise Control because the inventor of fuzzy logic was an Azeri from Baku, Lotfi Zadeh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>BTW: I&#8217;m interested. Should we stop using washing machines and other electrical appliances, digital cameras, stop using modern elevators and boycott buying cars with ABS and Cruise Control because the inventor of fuzzy logic was an Azeri from Baku, Lotfi Zadeh?
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		<title>by: Vardan</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2374</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:29:19 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>Is this blog about Armenia?
Baku Jazz Festival? What's wrong with you Onnik???
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is this blog about Armenia?<br />
Baku Jazz Festival? What&#8217;s wrong with you Onnik???
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2378</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:47:41 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, it's about Armenia but as you might notice from the map, the country is bordered by a few other countries with which it has certain (good or bad) relations with. I also believe that it is interesting and relevant to examine the region as a whole. Besides, if you don't find the post interesting it's very simple. Don't read it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, it&#8217;s about Armenia but as you might notice from the map, the country is bordered by a few other countries with which it has certain (good or bad) relations with. I also believe that it is interesting and relevant to examine the region as a whole. Besides, if you don&#8217;t find the post interesting it&#8217;s very simple. Don&#8217;t read it.
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		<title>by: Vahe</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2379</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:52:28 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>Onnik,

As to the inventor of fuzzy logic - he is NOT an Azeri (just FYI). My close friend knows him personally, as he did his PhD at UC Berkeley (where Zadeh is Professor Emeritus). Zadeh is a Kurd, not an Azeri (I happen to know a lot of interesting details about his biography and family). Are we going to refer to anybody who lived and worked in Baku as Azeri? How about Garry Kasparov, Lev Landau and many others? Also, funny thing, as soon as someone becomes famous, many nations start to claim the affinity to him. For example - Persians say Zadeh is Iranian: http://www.algebra.com/algebra/about/history/List-of-Iranian-scientists-and-technologists.wikipedia. Now I start thinking: maybe Zadeh is an Armenian, after all he is soo intelligent? ;)

Anyways, I am not saying Zadeh could not be Azeri in principle. And I agree - we should not follow the path of blind rejection of whatever has Turkish roots.  Just as they do with Armenians - that really looks pathetic. It's just personally I can't force myself to enjoy Azeri culture (if I can find any), or even to buy food made in Turkey. And I fail to understand those crowds of Armenians traveling to Turkey for family vacations or even honeymoons. I can't be completely objective to the nation whose raison d'etre - often seems - is to destroy my nation. I guess it's part of my weak human nature. So I on one hand admire your ability to separate the life-death struggle context between us and Azeris from the other aspects of life. On the other hand... see above.  

And the last thing &quot;if you don’t find the post interesting it’s very simple. Don’t read it.&quot; - don't get defensive any time someone criticizes you, it's not a good BLOG etiquette :)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Onnik,</p>
	<p>As to the inventor of fuzzy logic - he is NOT an Azeri (just FYI). My close friend knows him personally, as he did his PhD at UC Berkeley (where Zadeh is Professor Emeritus). Zadeh is a Kurd, not an Azeri (I happen to know a lot of interesting details about his biography and family). Are we going to refer to anybody who lived and worked in Baku as Azeri? How about Garry Kasparov, Lev Landau and many others? Also, funny thing, as soon as someone becomes famous, many nations start to claim the affinity to him. For example - Persians say Zadeh is Iranian: <a href='http://www.algebra.com/algebra/about/history/List-of-Iranian-scientists-and-technologists.wikipedia' rel='nofollow'>http://www.algebra.com/algebra/about/history/List-of-Iranian-scientists-and-technologists.wikipedia</a>. Now I start thinking: maybe Zadeh is an Armenian, after all he is soo intelligent? <img src='http://www.blogrel.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Anyways, I am not saying Zadeh could not be Azeri in principle. And I agree - we should not follow the path of blind rejection of whatever has Turkish roots.  Just as they do with Armenians - that really looks pathetic. It&#8217;s just personally I can&#8217;t force myself to enjoy Azeri culture (if I can find any), or even to buy food made in Turkey. And I fail to understand those crowds of Armenians traveling to Turkey for family vacations or even honeymoons. I can&#8217;t be completely objective to the nation whose raison d&#8217;etre - often seems - is to destroy my nation. I guess it&#8217;s part of my weak human nature. So I on one hand admire your ability to separate the life-death struggle context between us and Azeris from the other aspects of life. On the other hand&#8230; see above.  </p>
	<p>And the last thing &#8220;if you don’t find the post interesting it’s very simple. Don’t read it.&#8221; - don&#8217;t get defensive any time someone criticizes you, it&#8217;s not a good BLOG etiquette <img src='http://www.blogrel.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Cheers!
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2380</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:43:08 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>Re. the etiquette stuff, I think the point I made was quite logical. Don't like it, don't read it. Nothing defensive in that, just stating the obvious.

Re. Aziza, when I first heard her album &quot;Dance of Fire&quot; in London I never knew she was Azeri but I knew I liked it. When I later found out it was Azeri what was I going to do, say it's no so good after all?

As for Lotfi Zadeh, Kurd or Azeri he was an Azeri citizen born in Baku. This ethnic roots stuff gets a bit tiring after a while. Of course, if he's a Kurd it makes it even more interesting although his biography details him being born in Baku to a Jewish mother and a Moslem father. So here we get into some difficulties, don't we? Is Zadeh a Jew or a Moslem and if the latter is he a Kurd or an Azeri. Basically, however, should it matter?

Anyway, the point is that it's interesting to know what's going on in the other republics of the region (which one day even if that's in the far distant future will be an economic integrated mass whether we like it or not) and that stretches to culture as well as politics, society, economics etc.

And besides, I'm blogging, listen to Aziza CDs, some of which were bought in Yerevan, and she was mentioned in an article by an organization dealing with &quot;Eurasia&quot; and commenting on a jazz festival held in a neighboring country which Armenia is technically at war with.

I think that's pretty much a connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re. the etiquette stuff, I think the point I made was quite logical. Don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t read it. Nothing defensive in that, just stating the obvious.</p>
	<p>Re. Aziza, when I first heard her album &#8220;Dance of Fire&#8221; in London I never knew she was Azeri but I knew I liked it. When I later found out it was Azeri what was I going to do, say it&#8217;s no so good after all?</p>
	<p>As for Lotfi Zadeh, Kurd or Azeri he was an Azeri citizen born in Baku. This ethnic roots stuff gets a bit tiring after a while. Of course, if he&#8217;s a Kurd it makes it even more interesting although his biography details him being born in Baku to a Jewish mother and a Moslem father. So here we get into some difficulties, don&#8217;t we? Is Zadeh a Jew or a Moslem and if the latter is he a Kurd or an Azeri. Basically, however, should it matter?</p>
	<p>Anyway, the point is that it&#8217;s interesting to know what&#8217;s going on in the other republics of the region (which one day even if that&#8217;s in the far distant future will be an economic integrated mass whether we like it or not) and that stretches to culture as well as politics, society, economics etc.</p>
	<p>And besides, I&#8217;m blogging, listen to Aziza CDs, some of which were bought in Yerevan, and she was mentioned in an article by an organization dealing with &#8220;Eurasia&#8221; and commenting on a jazz festival held in a neighboring country which Armenia is technically at war with.</p>
	<p>I think that&#8217;s pretty much a connection.
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2381</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:52:52 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>There's an interview between Lotfi Zadeh and Azerbaijan International magazine online at:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/24_folder/24_articles/24_fuzzylogic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/24_folder/24_articles/24_fuzzylogic.html&lt;/a&gt;

His mother was Russian (I assume a Russian Jew considering other mentions to his mother in other resources) and after being born and raised in Baku he left for Iran and later the US.

Here's an interesting quote probably formed by his varied background and people's claims to him:

&quot;The question really isn't whether I'm American, Russian, Iranian, Azerbaijani, or anything else,&quot; he'll tell you. &quot;I've been shaped by all these people and cultures and I feel quite comfortable among all of them.&quot;

My point is that when we go so far as to examine the ethnic roots of everybody to decide whether we like them or not it's going a little too far. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s an interview between Lotfi Zadeh and Azerbaijan International magazine online at:</p>
	<p><a href="http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/24_folder/24_articles/24_fuzzylogic.html" rel="nofollow"><a href='http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/24_folder/24_articles/24_fuzzylogic.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/24_folder/24_articles/24_fuzzylogic.html</a></a></p>
	<p>His mother was Russian (I assume a Russian Jew considering other mentions to his mother in other resources) and after being born and raised in Baku he left for Iran and later the US.</p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting quote probably formed by his varied background and people&#8217;s claims to him:</p>
	<p>&#8220;The question really isn&#8217;t whether I&#8217;m American, Russian, Iranian, Azerbaijani, or anything else,&#8221; he&#8217;ll tell you. &#8220;I&#8217;ve been shaped by all these people and cultures and I feel quite comfortable among all of them.&#8221;</p>
	<p>My point is that when we go so far as to examine the ethnic roots of everybody to decide whether we like them or not it&#8217;s going a little too far.
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://www.blogrel.com/2005/04/29/baku-jazz-festival/#comment-2382</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:55:52 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Now I start thinking: maybe Zadeh is an Armenian, after all he is soo intelligent?&quot;

Vahe, re. your comment quoted above, might interest you to know that some Armenians say that Aziza Mustafa Zadeh is an Armenian. ;-)

To be honest, it has no relation to whether I liked her music or whether I can still enjoy it but amusing to mention.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Now I start thinking: maybe Zadeh is an Armenian, after all he is soo intelligent?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Vahe, re. your comment quoted above, might interest you to know that some Armenians say that Aziza Mustafa Zadeh is an Armenian. <img src='http://www.blogrel.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>To be honest, it has no relation to whether I liked her music or whether I can still enjoy it but amusing to mention.
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